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    I was able to get some inside information.

    Quote Originally Posted by subtool
    They probably have had a date set for a while, and have already finished polishing, waiting for the the date to release it.
    They had a date set. And no I'm not talking about their December date. I'm talking about a date set late in January. That date has passed and gone.


    Quote Originally Posted by thebest12
    I was hoping they teamed up with blender. Key shot model, "pay us tons of money for software that is easy to use". Pixologic is known for the opposite.
    From what I understand Pixologic has more to do with the licensing and cost of the Keyshot Bridge than Luxion.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebest12
    Key shot cost more than most autodesk software, and all it does is render...I see why some people feel like the bridge should be free..I wonder if people who spent 2000 to 3000 on it will still have to buy the bridge
    The Bridge is $149, which is small compared to the full cost. It's less than 15% of the full package. I think it's a reasonable price and a good plugin. Also it's more on Pixologic's side than Luxion. Free would be nice but $149 is well worth it. Also the KeyshotZ is $349 ($249 limited intro pricing) which is the same as the HD version ($1000) but with the unlimited rendering resolution of the Pro. There are some limitations but it's about 25% off.

    Also like is mentioned there are other options, some even free. The thing to understand is that these are all software tools. Free is not always better. What's best for one is not always best for another. Cheaper doesn't always save money. Something cheap or free can sometimes cost more in time and resources to use. Always check the pros and cons and compare pricing. I use both free (Love Blender) and expensive (I could buy a car for that!) software tools. From my experience even high priced software tools offer free trials to see if it's worth committing to. Sometimes that extra couple of hundred or thousands of initial cost can save thousands in time and resources. The main thing is to be informed of what you're getting cheap or expensive.

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    They had a date set. And no I'm not talking about their December date. I'm talking about a date set late in January. That date has passed and gone.
    So are you saying we want be getting it this January, If so why wouldn't they tell us and just drag us along ...............

    By the way the key shot prices are insane. I am not talking about zbrush partnership, I am talking about key shot by itself. If you think its worth It I understand your opinion, but charging prices that range from 1000, to 4000 is no excuse, I don't care how good the software is,,, It is not a full 3d app and they shouldn't charge the price of a full 3d app..

    I do like the fact pixologic did a agreement to lower the price, for the z brush keyshot edition, I hope people understand this version only works for zbrush

    I paid for key shot years ago and have been upgrading and waiting for a z brush plugin for 2 years, and now its going to cost me................I sound scared and hurt

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    The other thing to remember, is ZBrush R6, is already a very unstable program.

    On a daily basis, all artists on my team have multiple crashes. The software is only stable during regular sculpting and operations.

    But as soon as you tackle mass appending imports, decimation, undo then redo operations, crashes during ' visibility lasso' then undo redo operations, merging multiple ZTL tools into a scene, deformations, you are riddled with many crashes.

    Yesterday while working with a character with many subtools, for example 'Decimate All' almost never works, and cannot decimate all the subtools in the list requiring manual decimation for the heaviest offenders, or yes crash. (every time). Using Mass Append often crashes even with small poly subtools. (especially if this operation is interuppted by an auto-file save).

    Pay attention, daily at work at how many crashes you experience during ZBrush use in 8 hours. I can promise it can vary from 3 all the way up to 10 and 12 software crashes if using the above operations.

    It is not a matter of 'polishing and testing' to perfect performance for an R7 release. Ultimately this is where Pixologic decides to release R7 software that still crashes, but 'crashes how much ? '.

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    The other thing to remember, is ZBrush R6, is already a very unstable program.

    On a daily basis, all artists on my team have multiple crashes. The software is only stable during regular sculpting and operations.

    But as soon as you tackle mass appending imports, decimation, undo then redo operations, crashes during ' visibility lasso' then undo redo operations, merging multiple ZTL tools into a scene, deformations, you are riddled with many crashes.

    Yesterday while working with a character with many subtools, for example 'Decimate All' almost never works, and cannot decimate all the subtools in the list requiring manual decimation for the heaviest offenders, or yes crash. (every time). Using Mass Append often crashes even with small poly subtools. (especially if this operation is interuppted by an auto-file save).

    Pay attention, daily at work at how many crashes you experience during ZBrush use in 8 hours. I can promise it can vary from 3 all the way up to 10 and 12 software crashes if using the above operations.


    It is not a matter of 'polishing and testing' to perfect performance for an R7 release. Ultimately this is where Pixologic decides to release R7 software that still crashes, but 'crashes how much ? '.
    I agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I love z brush but it is the most unstable 3d software created,,,,,,Maybe because its 32 bit and trying to handle task meant for 64 bit

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    I don't know if this is important... but a friend who already has Keyshot, mentioned that he looked in the bin file and noticed a file luxion_geometry_zpr.exe sitting there. I can only presume it's there for Zbrush.

    I believe it was keyshot 5, but don't know how long it has been sitting there. For those who own it, did you notice this file in earlier versions?? I can only presume it's there for Keyshot/Zbrush Bridge. So again I can only presume Luxion were prep'ing for Zbrush a while ago.

    Anyway. Roll on end of January!



    Oh and just a quickie.... A quick belated thought for the 27th January. "Holocaust Memorial Day". A time for everyone to pause and give a thought to those millions who were murdered or whose lives were changed beyond recognition, In past and present and all conflicts.
    Apologies... didn't/don't want to change subject... but think it needed to be mentioned. Peace (can only hope)

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    Well Keyshot may be expensive, but it is FAR FAR away from real expensive 3d applications like Catia. Catia reaches easily >50000$ per seat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebest12
    So are you saying we want be getting it this January, If so why wouldn't they tell us and just drag us along
    Let's just say January isn't over.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thebest12
    By the way the key shot prices are insane. I am not talking about zbrush partnership, I am talking about key shot by itself. If you think its worth It I understand your opinion, but charging prices that range from 1000, to 4000 is no excuse, I don't care how good the software is,,, It is not a full 3d app and they shouldn't charge the price of a full 3d app.
    One thing I've learned from my years with 3D software is that it's very expensive. It's not a question of excuse it's a question of what the software does. And that's my point each person needs to decide if the price is worth the function it serves. Now is a great time to get into 3D as the software tools are becoming more available and priced for the individual/hobbyist. I wish I had the options and pricing of today back when I was first starting. I do agree that some software is overpriced (not just Keyshot), but what are the alternatives and would I really be saving money by using them or the more expensive option? That question and budget limits are the main things people should be looking at.



    Quote Originally Posted by Thebest12
    I paid for key shot years ago and have been upgrading and waiting for a z brush plugin for 2 years, and now its going to cost me.
    I agree that sucks, especially since Luxion has been talking about a plugin for a while. However before it was just Luxion but now Pixologic is more involved and that means you have two different companies negotiating details like this. Hopefully they change their mind and offer it free to customers who already have Zbrush and Keyshot.

    I've learned not to rely too much on promises until they've actually been delivered, especially when it comes to software.

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    ICEMike wrote:
    I cant seem to find 4R7 lessons on Digital Tutors website I have a subscription but I still cant find any lessons on 4R7.


    Aw now come on man, 4r7 hasn't even arrived yet. No wonder people think the Irish are thick as planks, with amadan (curse the iPad spellchecker) posts like yours.

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    About stability, I have to say something. Some years ago I had to work with 3d studio max. Only very simple things. In an hour I came not more than 20 minutes to work. The rest of the time I spent with reboots. So in a month a week at most effective work. In comparison, ZBrush is a tower of strength.

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    Using a 3d software is always like doing slalom in between all the bugs. Only after you really use a software full time for years you will know how tu use it without crash by just avoiding all the unstable functions. You sometime might have to use external plugins of softwares to do the tasks that are too unstable in a certain application.

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    @dillster When I read kurt_neilsen saying "So far only teachers get the copy since its already being taught on Digital Tutors website" I assumed that he meant that they were in the process of putting the tutorials on the website, btw I have Aspergers Syndrome I dont see things the same way normal people see them however Im highly intellegent and just because I dont have common sense like normal people it doesnt mean Im thick

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    When it would be released tomorrow, I would wait with downloading untill the download speed works at normal levels again. I will let all you supermotivated greeders who know everything about 4.6 download first, and go on using what I have.
    I still learn every day.
    I take mild exception to being called a greeder.

    Scenario: Company produces excellent videos, presents over the top demos -- both designed to whet the appetite for a program upgrade. The strategy works.

    Then...customers are criticized by other customers for having exactly the reaction the company likely wanted?

    WTF? If we weren't excited about the upgrade, that'd mean the demos and videos were a total waste of the company's time.

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    Funny, there hasn't been an over hyped or over the top demo prior to the release of any previous version of Zbrush that I can remember because ZBrush lived up to and always exceeded the expectations of its users. Note that it has been the users and this community to push the boundaries of ZBrush. The blood thirst and excitement is totally understandable, but greeders??? Perhaps those who are far to criticle of a free upgrade... I will more than likely wait for the traffic to die down as well eventhough my anticipation exceeds my capacity...

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    Excitement, enthusiasm, and word of mouth often go far when it comes to selling a program, also.

    I would not buy a program where users had an "oh, ho hum" attitude toward it. I would, however, buy a program whose users were passionately enthusiastic about current and impending versions.

    I've really never seen a program that surpassed Zbrush, when it comes to impassioned users, either.

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