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    ok I have to get into this. Why? Because of all the people that frequent this forum I (that is of those who post to) think I have a deeper insight into Poser than most. How do I have a deeper insight? I was one of the original moderators that started Renderosity during a very tumultuous time in the Poser world. I was the one who started the 2d forum and the 2d gallery. All the other 2d application specific forums there like Photoshop grew out from the 2d forum. I even remember when Pixiologic (sorry cant remember specific name) posted to the then new Renderosity. Had I stayed there I had plans to try and start the Zbrush forum there as I was so impressed by it. Of course my roots in Poser and Bryce go back even further than that predating the old PFO which was the direct ancestor of Renderosity. So Yah I think I know a bit. I have seen this argument played out at many times in many ways over the years.

    Poser is just a tool, Zbrush is just a tool, Maya is just a tool. Characters created for Poser and available to the masses are all merely tools in the toolbox. They are only means to an end that being the artistic vision that has set the person using those tools into motion. Yes there is quite a bit of satisfaction to building a character from scratch and I am only touching the tip of the iceberg there. But Poser and Bryce have both enabled me to fulfill at least Some of my visions. I fully expect Zbrush to fulfill the rest and if I use a model castle from some one like the great Luca Rudolpho as a background shot or foreground then I am using it in my own way, for my own purpose and the reulting image is Entirely original. It takes time to make a scene that works whether using Poser or anything else. It takes effort no matter What program you use. People who disparge the use of Poser need to loosen up. Art is art no matter what tools are used and it comes from the heart of the individual.
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    umm i dont know what you just said in that huge speech, but the picture is pretty cool. nice job
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    LOL thx Dark, I do tend to get long winded and passionate. Thats an old old image I did in the back when. Thx

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    Yes, main point is to relax, be able to have your opinnion, and enjoy the tools and the results. And that's what makes this Community so nice. And it would be sad if we could not inspire each other with new techniques, tools, and ideas. I learned so much on this forum because of the extreme bandwidth of tools used in conjunction with Zbrush.

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    Would like to point out that "this thing we do", has two levels.
    The artist working on his particular project, and the people that
    do it for a living to whom results and time are extremely important.
    Both come here in various guises.
    The artist on his own, with time to spare and his own personal sense of
    artistic integrity chooses to use and "exploit" those tools that enable
    him to express his views.
    The person doing it for a living approaches it differently.
    Very often he is working with software that the firm for which
    they work prefer.
    There is also the dirty problem of deadlines.
    If there is anything I think we can agree on ,is that there are many
    programs that do basically the same thing.
    I think we can also agree that if you have a favorite you tend ot stick up
    for it here.
    What we all 100 percent agree is that zbrush is a fantastic program
    that appeals to both the artist and the "worker bee"
    The posts in this forum reflect the views and problems and joys of both sides
    of the aisle.
    My own opinion has always been. I look at the finished product.
    If I like it, I like it, congratulations to the creator.
    If I don't and it has an element that looks like something
    I can use, I will investigate it.
    I don't care what created it, with the bottom line being I am told what did it.
    To submit a program that was basically created in, say Maya, and purported
    to be Zbrush only is misleading to us all.
    Poser, Vue, Maya, Max, Modo, Xsi, Zbrush,Xbrush, Ybrush, are just tools.

    What was the question again?

    I made this post long so Tartan would not feel bad

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    I KNEW IT, there is a XBrush and a YBrush. Where'd you get them from?
    Does it come with the Deadlineator?
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    xbrush has the deadlineator. ybrush has the make cool button. x, y and z all work together in a wonderfully streamlined pipeline.

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    Default Only a fool is using just one tool

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    HA HA HA HA HA, Bas
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    Oh darn Bas, that is funny!
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    Someone in the industry would be very foolish indeed to not have a collection of basic stuff on hand like furniture, plants and others. Speed is everything in making a buck. I don't do 3D commercialy its a hobby. I do a lot of 2D ads though and I use stock art all the time. I would fail if I did not and I have bills to pay.

    If you take a head out of Poser and when your done that head looks nothing like the original, it is an original. The poser head was just the lump of clay and after you make your first head on your own you have nothing further to prove other than wasting valuable time.

    When I learned the "Old Masters Method" of oil painting from a who's who I won't mention here. He refused to use anyone elses photos for reference and wasted many hours travelling to sites to shoot a photo identical to one he could have gotten from a post card. He was brilliant, but he was also an old fool. His work sold as fast as he could produce it and his family went hungry because of this quirk he had about references. That and he just liked to b***h to hear himself do it I think.

    A base head or body is just a lump of clay waiting for a masters touch.

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    but he was also an old fool.
    Watch it we have a union!
    Agreed though, major differences in approach
    of hobbyist vs bread/butter.
    Marcel once said,and I wrote this down, he didn't care
    if he had to pour sugar down the computer.... if it worked.

    edit: ps, sorry I almost forgot
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    Poser model?
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    LOL Bas that made my day! and thx Bicc for the consideration LOL and that was a dang good point Blaine. Elitism is Not good for the wallet

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    Talking @Bas...

    ...and when your only tool is broken you are ruined !

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