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    alright I'm gonna pop in here

    I've been following spirit dreamer since I started here, his pieces were all very different (and still are) to what is being done with zbrush. he's the first attempt at a zbrush surrealist and thats kinda cool.

    what kills me is when I see the sculptures used in his pieces, I can see (as can anyone else) that he has some nice sculpting chops. I would love to see you spiritdreamer do some sculpting studies, or take the ones you've done and post them separate out of the piece.

    I'll always champion spiritdreamer, his technical skill might not be honed just yet, but he does this thread solely for his own enjoyment, unlike others who post with hopings of praise. Spiritdreamer you have a lot of fans on here, fans based on the curiosity of what you'll come out with next. you can keep us guessing and thats pretty cool. and you keep me saying "well I've never seen that before"

    To please the mob, though, I would love to see some of the sculptures, on there own, up for crits. just cause it would be interesting to see the sculpting side.
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    Obz THANK YOU...for that useful information about PLANETMAN...and WHO were his enimies.. What made him suck in your opinion,just curious,... was it that his enimies were not to your liking, or was it him, ..was the story badly written, the characters badly expressed. Again, i'm just curious as to why you feel the way you expressed yourself...In any case, the concept was and still is solid, and his RECREATION/
    REINCARNATION as EARTHMAN is more valid today than yesterday. Of course that is just my personal opinion, and probably the opinion of millions of others concererned about the EARTH and what is happening because of the enimies of EARTHMAN that I mentioned above.
    Good ides never die, they are just reborn when needed and wanted, and given NEW LIFE.
    I'm sorry that you don't care for my work, as you have so clearly expressed ..I never claimed to be perfect, nor would I ever want to be.

    Antisymmetry...THANK YOU.

    Framed World...No problem, will do..... and THANK YOU ALSO.
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    "... but don't be surprised if the lack of technique or execution calls the attention of the viewing public".

    If you have the manners, courtesy, and professionalism to go along with the critique, I am sure the artist will consider your suggestions.

    There are different types of artist who use computers to make art work. Some create expressive works and others create overly done super heroes. You have to be able to put art in different contexts. There are too many artist's on these forums that are set in their ways.

    "you can keep us guessing and thats pretty cool."

    I agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritDreamer
    It might be really refreshing to see a NEW SUPER HERO character develope in this forum..one that is relative to current times and places.

    You all have my permission to run with my original concept.

    I'm sure that with all of the great talent in this forum, you should be able to take these characters of my creation much further than I am able to...
    I just think of them, and try to express them the best that I can..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritDreamer
    Obz THANK YOU...for that useful information about PLANETMAN...and WHO were his enimies..
    These guys (copy paste from wiki, I was never a fan, but here they are)


    • Hoggish Greedly (voiced by Edward Asner) - A pig-like human who represents the dangers of overconsumption and greed.
      • Rigger (voiced by John Ratzenberger) - Hoggish Greedly's henchman. In "The Ghost of Porkaloin Past," Rigger mentioned that he worked with Greddly cause no one else would hire him.
    • Looten Plunder (voiced by James Coburn in 1990–1992, Ed Gilbert in 1993-1995) - A wealthy poacher and greedy businessman who represents the evils of uncontrolled capitalism and unethical business actions. Looten is also shown to have a nephew named Robin Plunder as seen in "Going Bats, Man"

      • Argos Bleek (voiced by S. Scott Bullock) - Looten Plunder's main henchman, and leader of Plunder's private army. In "The Predator," he once appeared without Looten Plunder when it came to tricking the people of the Florida Keys that basking sharks are deadly.
      • Pinehead Brothers (voiced by Dick Gautier and Frank Welker) - Oakey and Dokey are two oversized lumberjacks who work for Looten Plunder.
    • Sly Sludge (voiced by Martin Sheen in 1990–1992, Jim Cummings in 1993-1995) - An unscrupulous waste disposer who represents ignorance and the dangers of short-term thinking.

      • Ooze (voiced by Cam Clarke) - Sly Sludge's sidekick.
      • Tank Flusher III (voiced by Frank Welker)) - Sly Sludge's strongman servant.
    • Duke Nukem (voiced by Dean Stockwell in 1990-1992, Maurice LaMarche in 1993-1995) - A radioactive mutant who represents the perils of nuclear power.

      • Leadsuit (voiced by Frank Welker) - Duke Nukem's cowardly accomplice.
    • Verminous Skumm (voiced by Jeff Goldblum in 1990, Maurice LaMarche in 1991-1995) - A rat creature who represents the evils of poor sanitation and crime.

      • The Rat Pack - A gang of rat/human thugs under the command of Skumm.
    • Dr. Blight (voiced by Meg Ryan in 1990, Mary Kay Bergman in 1991-1995) - A mad scientist who represents the dangers of uncontrolled technology and unethical scientific experimentation with a half-scarred face hidden behind her hair.

      • MAL (voiced by David Rappaport in 1990, Tim Curry in 1991-1995) - Dr. Blight's evil high-intellectual supercomputer. It had been subtlely hinted that the two might have romantic feelings for each other.
    • Zarm (voiced by Sting in 1990-1992, David Warner in 1993, Malcolm McDowell in 1994-1995) - Unlike the other Ecovillains, Zarm is actually the former spirit of the Earth who left Gaia in search of other lands and ended up laying other populous planets to ruin. Represents war and destruction. Though Zarm doesn't have any henchmen of his own, he would often manipulate other people to do his bidding. Zarm united the six Ecovillains under his leadership in the two-part "Summit to Save Earth" episode.


    What made him suck in your opinion,just curious,... was it that his enimies were not to your liking, or was it him, ..was the story badly written, the characters badly expressed. Again, i'm just curious as to why you feel the way you expressed yourself...In any case, the concept was and still is solid, and his RECREATION/
    Pretty much all of the above. I found nothing about it entertaining or inspiring. Though as you allude to, at the core, there was a decent idea, just very poorly executed and realized with haste.

    Good ides never die, they are just reborn when needed and wanted, and given NEW LIFE.
    I'm sorry that you don't care for my work, as you have so clearly expressed ..I never claimed to be perfect, nor would I ever want to be.
    I didn't say that. I just said that "Earthman" has "been done before". Not quite like you have, but in essence, it is (as you somewhat contradictorily say in light of other super hero cometary) a "reincarnation" of a preexisting idea.
    That is all .

    I don't dislike your work, I just implore you invest as much thought in the realization of the ideas as the ideas themselves. I'm probably your biggest advocat, I want to see these fantastic ideas materialize beyond thumbnail sketches Surreal, hyperreal, or what have you.

    That's why electric cars have never taken off, it's a great idea, but poorly brought to market. Who really wants to be seen in a pryus?

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    Obz Fantastic...THANK YOU for all of that info..
    With that many famous and important people involved in the depiction of those types of characters , I know my concept is worthwhile, universal, and diffenitly worth the effort that I have put into it so far....I'm just surprized that more artist in this forum have not jumped on those types of concepts that stand to improve upon life for all by exposing the few that pull the strings of all.
    Those are themes and characters that are timeless and ever evolving,..and deserving of many sequels,refinements,and updates as digital technology evolves.
    Hieronymus Bosch...SHIP OF FOOLS and many of his other concepts are perfect examples of the folly of humankind and what it has and can lead to...and are also timeless concepts and themes that would be great if done right with this new technology.
    I have to agree with Antisymmetry when he says that there are many kinds of art, and artist...The feud between the academics of the Salon and the Impressionist when they first came about is a perfect example of what narrow mindedness is about.
    The future will decide what was good art, and what was trash, just as it always has and does.
    Right now, a pure white blank canvas sells for millions, and is considered great by those who pull the strings in the art world.So like I said, the future will decide what is trash, and what is art.
    I just do my best to create what I see, and feel, and do it to my liking....like those last pieces I posted of KING OIL, THE COST OF OIL, and BEACHED DEATH...Those are basically finished, and are what my taste in art is at the moment...I could make them in a photo realist fashion, but then they wouldn't be me at the moment...I hope you understand what i'm trying to say...ME IS ALL I HAVE TO OFFER...and LEAVE BEHIND ME

    About driving a Pryus...only a vain fool woud not want to have one, or an idiot who has been sold a bill of goods on a humve ect. by watching too many movies and fast car advertisements.
    I rode in a Pryus,..my wifes sister has one ...drives like a Cadilac, and has just as much leg and head room, but gets 60 miles to the gallon or more instead of 10 or 15 miles to the gallon like a Cadilac.
    As soon as the price of gas and oil goes up again, which it most certainly will...people will put aside their vanity, wiseup to the car manufatures and the oil companies that rule them, and demand those hybreds..if they have any common sense left that is..
    I personally use public transportation myself, and have been doing so for the last 30 years...I wouldn have a car if I was paid to take it..But that's just... ME..AGAIN...
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    Hieronymus Bosch... surrealism at it's finest. Not at all about photorealism, just the effort in presentation of the idea.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Resolution.jpg

    See all the great detail and execution in this piece? Must have taken ages, not one bit "realistic", but light years beyond captivating. The artist's skills, not only as a "generator of ideas" but as a craftsman of his tool are very well showcased here. He has really pushed his skills as a painter in this rendition of "his vision", the effort of rendering this idea far eclipsed the the complexity of the thought behind it. A perfect example of all I have tried to say to you.

    Put the mechanics and guts of a pryus in a well designed car, and I'll buy one.
    Electronic Mustang GT anyone? I'll take two.
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    Obz....Nice example of what you like,..But,...That's Bosch and his style...not me or mine,...I'm more of a swirly expressionistic brushstroke type..when painting, and the same when sculpting..Rodin type..expressionistic in style and temperment..Now you may not like or appreceate expressionism at the moment, but alot of people do...It would be awfully boring, if everyone liked the same things, now wouldn't it...
    Myself,I always liked what Bosch had to say with his art, rather than how he said it.
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    Funny how Bosch completely rejected the "popular" form of art called the Italian Renaissance of his day.

    " A perfect example of all I have tried to say to you".

    No, your the person who supported several people on here that stated that SpiritDreamers's poses were horrible and he lacks any progression. Maybe you have been desensitized, but your critiques come across as useless and cruel.

    I guess what you get from the school of hard knocks is a static portfolio of action figures. The "market" must be proud.

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    It's not an example of what I like. It's an example of a craftsman pushing his tools to the limit. I didn't say be like Bosch, you brought him up and he is an excellent example of just that.

    Swirly, splattery, leaky, drippy, blotchy,whatever YOU like... just push it to a higher level of realization.

    Auguste Rodin was a master of sculpting, no detail left untended.

    Rodin was a naturalist, less concerned with monumental expression than with character and emotion.

    His sculpture emphasized the individual and the concreteness of flesh, and suggested emotion through detailed, textured surfaces, and the interplay of light and shadow. To a greater degree than his contemporaries, Rodin believed that an individual's character was revealed by his physical features.

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    Obz ...Whoever wrote that, saw Rodin through his or her own eyes,..not mine..I see expressionism when I view his works through my own eyes..
    Tell me what you see when you look at the pieces I just did called KING OIL, COST OF OIL, and BEACHED DEATH...Should they be refined and pushed further, or are they strong pieces in their own right just as they are, for what they express, and for the way they express it.
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    Tell me what you see when you look at the pieces I just did called KING OIL, COST OF OIL, and BEACHED DEATH...Should they be refined and pushed further, or are they strong pieces in their own right just as they are, for what they express, and for the way they express it.
    well to be honest I do think these are great concepts but are far from finished pieces. I would like to see you push these further
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    Framed World...I think i'll call them finished for now..i'm in no rush to take them further. The damage from that ruptured oil pipe is just starting, and will escalate with time...Maybe i'll get some ideas to further them down the road, but for now, they capture the feeling that I was after.

    Chew...Very happy that you posted that image above in my sketchbook, confirms what I already knew about you...You are morally retarded my friend, so I'll excuse your behavior, just as I would any other mentally challenged person.

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