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    OCT. 15, 2011

    Michalis...Thanks for stopping by, and really glad that you find movement in sculpture interesting..Movement is whats it's all about,..to me anyway...or I should say the implied illussion of it...Burne Hogarth used to do some fantastic motion drawings in his class..Always amazed me in his classroom when I saw him creating them from his imagination right in front of my eyes..Like you said.. magic,...and of course a complete understanding of anatomy and how the muscles actually work and function is a must to pull it off in a convincing way.

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...re&fr2=piv-web

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mc...t+in+sculpture

    Above is a couple of links that may be of interest to you...Movement in Sculpture...Amazing what can be found on the internet these days by just typing in what you are interested in...Now that is magic, if ever there was magic..to me anyway...

    WIP...Just experimenting with this right hook boxing action this morning, and some of the body movements that go into it,..creating and alluding to an implied sense of motion.
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    Keep on playing Spirit. Dynamesh is great isnt it? Sometimes you fail with your boxing poses but you also succeed as well. There are a number that do. On the ones that dont appeal to me they still have sections that if closed in on would. Often the closeup of a detail works better than the far. It all comes down to taste. When I first started getting into computer graphics around 95 I "discovered" an often Much maligned program called Poser and another beautiful little program called Bryce. I didnt know enough to be able to build anything but I learned how to texture and I learned how to pose figures and then send them to Bryce to actually create a "scene" There is no doubt that creating dynamic poses is a hard thing to do. I failed a lot but sometimes I succeeded and those are the moments to look forward to.
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    ...and of course a complete understanding of anatomy and how the muscles actually work and function is a must to pull it off in a convincing way.
    eh, there's a trap here. Watch out, I don't mean you, I know you won't fall into this.
    What makes a well sketched anatomy to look like a frozen frame of a movie? Instead of a rather static Kouros statue, though a great feel of movement comes from this? Is the exact moment before movement that it's captured? This moment that makes us free to imagine what comes next? Questions like these haven't answered by words anyway.

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    OCT. 16, 2011

    Tartan...Hey ..Thanks..Impossible to hit a home run every time you are up to bat..Some come close to doing it, but i'm not one of them..I just hope to learn something new from every swing of the bat I take..and I usually do, or at least I try hard to.
    Kind of like relationships...Some have failed, and some have worked out great...and I have learned something new and different from each one ...still learning from the one i'm in now, and it has been an ongoing experience that has lasted twenty five years now...Must be a home Run ..Bound to get lucky once in awhile..But you'll never know or find out, until you swing that bat..

    Michalis...Thank You...You are totally right about that chance to imagine being given to the viewer...Brings to mind Michelangelo's statue of David...A great example of depicting what is about to happen,..and how that prelude to the event of what actually happens can be much more powerful than the shot of the rock actually hitting Goliath..The viewers imagination, is always much more powerful than any image depicted......The Essence, Strength, Power, and ART of Greek Tragedy..

    Wip...Motion Study... Just having some more fun with, learning from, and doing some more experimenting with this boxing piece this morning.
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    OCT. 17, 2011
    WIP. A Right Cross Knockdown, and A Clinch where the one boxer pulls the other boxer in close by the back of the neck with his glove and then nails him with a left hook...Just combining the different poses I created with these boxers this morning to see what different scenes can be created using them.
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    tho i personally dont like the style of most of the stuff in this thread i must say i dont get why only 2 stars, the stuff is top notch, a bit rough and weird for sure, especially if you just look at the first few pics, dunno, strange style reminding me of mid 90ties digital art in a lot of places, but once i say that zapata painting and how you got there i think i understand what thats all about lol

    btw i assume those boxers are old school, noone would stretch its legs like that nower days if they dont want em to break like a stick, bend the knees, and dont push out your bum or the umpire might get distracted XD

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    Jaysus...Thank You , and Thanks also for the input...Good points about the knees and rear ends, and well taken..I'll see what I can do about them when I get around to fixing all the other errors that abound throughout these figures..I wasn't planning on doing these scenes to start with,..they just sort of happened as I went along..so I just went with the flow, and did whatever came to mind as I went along...Seems to be the norm for me, doing it that way..The unexpected is one of the most pleasent parts of my day, and HEY,..I like it that way...
    P.S.....Yes these are old school fighters...Just like me...LOL...I gave up boxing many years ago...and I took up Karate instead...Much more direct and to the point, if you know what I mean.
    I studied Karate in the studio of Billy Blanks here in Boston..right here in Quincy where I live in fact....., right before he moved out to Hollywood and got rich and famous with his Tybo thing and a few Karate movies....He was a trip, strong as a tiger and for sure new his Karate...I've only had to use what I learned in real life once since I learned it..saved my life..so it was money and time that was for sure well spent...
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    OCT. 18, 2011
    WIP. The Old One Two.. Left and a Right Combo,...and your on the way down and out for the Count..
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    0CT. 19, 2011
    WIP. Adjusted the torque between the pelvis and torso..more compression on his right side flank muscles, and more stretch on his left side flank muscles..changing the angle of his shoulders....Also bent his legs at the knees for more ballence...adjusted his right foot so he is more grounded and ballanced..Finally starting to get a gesture now that is worth refinement..

    A great link right below...Might be useful to someone in this forum..who knows. ....Boy if I were about forty years younger and thinking about getting into animation,..I would get my rear end into this guys class, and into the school in this link as fast as I could...

    http://www.animationmentor.com/webin...ghtWebinar2011


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    OCT. 20, 2011
    WIP.Did some sculpting on, and refinement of proportions on the boxer that has thrown the punch this morning..Also put a canvas/floor in place, and played with the shadows some on it.
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    Hya Spirit Dreamer!

    I have been
    watching the boxer progress and got very interested in the balance and
    motion part and the discussion of it, annoyingly I have been insanely
    busy, its been overcast for a week and a half (I'm on 100% solar power)
    and we had a rather odd and very dangerous series of storms here.
    If you look at still frames of people in motion you will see
    some VERY odd things, lately tennis players have been the brunt of
    some very funny shots that do not look so great:
    http://i.imgur.com/AiEN2.jpg
    hehehe.... sorry, I could not resist....

    I had a bunch of links that I scrounged for you but I cant find them at the moment, its been an interesting week....

    More soon... if nothing else happens...
    nope...
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    OCT. 21, 2011

    LOL Mealea...Looks like they really get into it....Hey, where are you anchored at anyway, if you don't mind me asking..just curious...Great to hear that you are 100 percent solar...Maybe add some of those small wind turbines to the mix, and then you will be all set when the next sunless but windy storm comes your way..
    Nice hearing from you,..your visits are always welcomed and appreciated.....Stay safe..I know how that ocean can turn into a monster at times..been there..

    WIP. Just a little Dynamic light/shade/shadow study this morning...while trying to figure out how the new BPR filter system works.
    I gave up for the moment, and went into Corel Painter #10 to get the result I wanted...I wanted to get it in ZBRUSH, but couldn't figure out how to achieve it...Oh well,..tomarrow is another day..maybe i'll figure it out then..I would like to be able to stay in ZBRUSH to get what i'm after,..kind of a pain going back and forth between programs...I'll figure it out sooner or later,..hopefully sooner.....I want the cast shadows to be darker where they start,..and then get lighter as they get further away from the object that is casting them..

    ZBRUSH 4R2..DynaMesh/LightCap...Corel Painter #10 Combo.

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    OCT. 22, 2011
    WIPS...Just doing some experiments in Light Cap this morning, while trying to learn how it works..I saved and used the light setup and material that I used for this bud vase and flower..Then I used that same lightcap setup on the boxers, just to see how it would look...Just an experiment to see what would happen if I took the lighting and material from one scene, and put it into another scene..Lots of fun
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    Better positions now on the boxers in these last 2 images, and a more dramatic angle on the scene. Feels more like I'm in the crowd looking up at a boxing match in the ring.
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    The boxers pose looks off to me...when throwing the right hook his arm should be following through not pulled back as the opponent falls to the ground...in a number of renders in looks a lot more like he's being pushed over. Boxers dont contort their body that way when throwing punches

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